3 years old kindergarten: Three-Year-Old Kindergarten

Kindergarten – Hume City Council

Preferences for 2023 Kindergarten year

In response to the continued rollout of three-year-old kindergarten and the introduction of free kindergarten in 2023, families who have registered for kindergarten programs in 2023 will be sent an email asking to update their preferences based on session times available. If you have registered and have not received an email or text message, please contact 9205 2538 or e-mail [email protected].

2023 Kindergarten timetables

Timetables are subject to change. Sessions may be adjusted or cancelled due to demand, operational requirements, or changes to government funding.

Three-year-old Kindergarten timetables(PDF, 412KB)

Four-year-old Kindergarten timetables(PDF, 347KB)

Important information

• Three-year-old sessions will be delivered as either 7.5 hours per week or 15 hours per week.
• Families are asked to only select session locations and times that you are willing to attend.
• Some kindergartens will allocate children to groups – in these instances they are noted as ‘sessions’ rather than days and times. Planned session times have been included in the timetable document for your information.
• Updating preferences will not change your initial registration date recorded on the system.

Applications

Registrations for Kindergarten are always open.  Please contact 9205 2538 or e-mail [email protected] to find out about places available for the remainder of 2022. Registrations for 2023 and 2024 can be made by visiting one of our Customer Service Centres. You will need to complete a separate registration form for each child in your care, e.g. twins.

Step 1.Download the application form

Download and complete the Kindergarten Application(PDF, 6MB).  

Please note, a non-refundable $17.50 fee applies for each application (this only applies for non-concession card holders).

Step 2.Nominate three kindergartens

You will be required to nominate three kindergarten preferences as part of your application. Please try to choose kindergartens that you would be happy to accept a place at. You are welcome to contact any kindergarten you are interested in to arrange for a tour to help you decide which one will best suit you and your child.

Step 3.Prepare supporting documents

To complete your application you will need:

• Proof of child’s birth. Please provide one of the following:
  • A copy of the child’s birth certificate
  • A copy of the child’s passport
  • An Australian Immunisation Register (AIR) from the Services Australia website

• Proof of residence in Hume. Please provide one of the following:
  • A copy of your current driver’s license
  • A copy of rates notice
  • A copy of any utility bill.

Step 4.Submit your application

Applications can be made by submitting the application form along with your supporting documents at one of our Customer Service Centres:

Broadmeadows

1079 Pascoe Vale Road, Broadmeadows

Craigieburn

75-95 Central Park Avenue, Craigieburn 

Sunbury

44 Macedon Street, Sunbury 

The Victorian Government is introducing funded three year old kindergarten. This will mean an extra year of learning, playing and making friends for all Victorian children.

Hume City Council will be offering five hours per week of funded kindergarten programs across the municipality in 2022, and will be increasing to 15 hours by 2029.

Just like with four year old kindergarten, three year old kindergarten programs will be tailored to meet the needs of children. Three-year-old kindergarten will be led by qualified teachers and will support children’s lifelong learning through play-based programs.

Research shows that two years of kindergarten are better than one and taking part in a quality kindergarten program at an earlier age, increases children’s learning, development, health, and wellbeing. It also benefits vulnerable children who may need extra support to achieve better developmental outcomes.

If your child is born between 1 January and 30 April, your child can begin three year old kindergarten in the year they turn three years of age.

Children are not able to commence three-year-old kindergarten until they turn three years of age. If a place is offered and accepted the place will be on hold until your child is eligible to commence kindergarten.

For 2022 session information, visit our Three-Year-Old Kindergarten Timetables(PDF, 123KB).  

Four-year-old kindergarten

If your child is born between 1 January and 30 April, your child can begin four year old kindergarten in the year they turn four years of age.  

For 2022 session information, visit our 4-Year-Old Kindergarten Timetables(PDF, 136KB).  

Deciding when your child should start kindergarten

Children are encouraged to start kindergarten when they are 3 years of age. Visit the Victorian Government website to determine what year your child can start kindergarten. Registrations for kindergarten open on 1 March two years prior to your child’s year of attendance.  To find out more, contact Council on 9205 2538 or email [email protected].

Applications open on the first business day in March each year, two years before the year of attendance.

Your child must turn three or four years of age by 30 April in the year of attendance.  Please refer to the table below for the eligibility criteria based on your child’s date of birth:

Alternatively, the Victorian Government has created a calculator tool that you can use to determine when your child can start kindergarten.   Simply enter your child’s date of birth.  You can access the tool by visiting the Victorian Government website.

Please refer to the Kindergarten Enrolment Policy(PDF, 303KB) for more information on eligibility or call 9205 2538.  

Some children are eligible for a second year of funded preschool. Find out more by visiting the Department of Education and Training website.

Term fees are non refundable and no pro rata fees are applicable.

If you hold an eligible concession card, you may not be required to pay the application fee and/or term fee for the time you hold a current and valid card and a copy is provided to Council.

Should the card expire during any part of the child’s kindergarten year, it is the responsibility of the parents/guardians to produce another valid card or visa status, otherwise full fees are payable.  A copy of the card or visa must be provided.

Eligible Card Types:

• Health Care Card
• Pension Concession Card
• Department of Veteran Affairs Gold/White Card
• Refugee and Special Humanitarian Visas 200-204
• Humanitarian Visa 786 or Protection Visa 866
• Bridging Visa for Refugee/Asylum Seekers
• ImmiCard
• Humanitarian Stay Visa 449
• Temporary Protection Visa 785
• Safe Haven Enterprise Visa 790

Council’s preferred method of payment of fees is by Direct Debit.  Please complete online Direct Debit Arrangement Form. 

Alternatively, you can download the Direct Debit(PDF, 4MB)  form to complete electronically or manually, and submit to Council via email at preschoolaccounts@hume. vic.gov.au or in person at our Customer Service Centres.

In order to be considered in the initial kindergarten placement intake (end of August)**, your application must be submitted by 30 June in the year before your child attends kindergarten. Any applications received after this date will be processed throughout the year. 

Offers will be made by email or mail. Offers are made based on date of application and Priority of Access.

If you are applying two years in advance, you will be offered a place by the end of August in the year prior to your child’s attendance. For example, if you have applied for your child to attend in the 2023 kindergarten year, you will be offered a place in August 2022.

If you are offered a place you will have two weeks to accept and respond.

If there are no places available at your preferred kindergarten, we will let you know of places available at other kindergartens. You may choose one of them or remain on a waiting list.  

If you have received a placement offer for your child, please return your printed form by email to [email protected] or in person at any Customer Service Centre.

To make changes or cancel your child’s application, you may complete the Change, Defer or Cancel your Application/Placement form online. 

You can also download and complete the following forms and submit them via email or in person at our customer service centres.

Change of Registration Details Form(PDF, 1MB)

Cancellation of Placement Form(PDF, 680KB) 

For any changes to program preferences submitted by 30 June in the year before attendance, the original registration date will be retained.

Changes to preferences submitted after 30 June in the year before attendance will result in a new registration date.

If your concession card details have changed, please complete the Update your Concession Card Details form online and attach a copy of your current, valid concession card.

Your concession card must be valid in order to be eligible for the Kindergarten Fee Subsidy.

You can defer your child’s application to the following year by completing the Change, Defer or Cancel your Application/Placement form online.

A deferral can only be submitted where a kindergarten placement offer was made or accepted, and the child has already attended in Term 1.  Please refer to the Kindergarten Enrolment Policy(PDF, 303KB) for more information or call 9205 2538.

In addition to Council-run kindergartens, Council also assists some non-Council run kindergartens with registrations. You can choose non-Council run kindergartens as preferences in your application. Information about non-Council run kindergartens, session times and fees are available from each kindergarten directly.

We encourage you to visit any kindergarten you are interested in. You can contact the kindergarten to make an appointment to speak with an educator.

You can find the closest centre in Hume to your home or work by using the ‘Find a Kinder Program’ map on the Victorian State Government website.

Find your nearest centre

What is Early Start Kindergarten?

Early Start Kindergarten (ESK) provides up to 15 hours of free or low cost kindergarten per week to eligible three-year-old children in a four-year-old kindergarten setting, where programs are offered by a qualified teacher.

Is my child eligible?

To be eligible, your child must be three years old by 30 April in the year they start kindergarten and meet one of the following criteria:

• Be from a refugee or asylum seeker background
• Identify as Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander
• Your family has had contact with Child Protection

How do I enrol my child?

To enrol, please complete the Kindergarten Application, attach your supporting documentation and submit it to one of our customer service centres.  

Council has Preschool Field Officers who provide support to children with additional needs, their families and kindergarten staff, to ensure they are included in kindergarten. The Preschool Field Officer can be contacted by calling:

0408 066 225, 0417 874 109 or 0419 573 781

Alternatively, you can reach them by email at [email protected]

For information on how PSFO’s and educators support children with additional needs, you can view the Supporting Children with Additional Needs(PDF, 4MB) Guide(PDF, 4MB).(PDF, 4MB)

Kindergarten Open Night

Kindergarten open nights are held early in Term 1 each year. 

For a kindergarten tour outside of the kindergarten open night, you can contact a kindergarten you’re interested in directly.

Applications Open

Kindergarten applications open on the first business day in March each year, two years before the year of attendance.

Under the ‘No Jab, No Play’ legislation that came into force on 1 January 2016, children are required to be fully vaccinated for their age before they can be enrolled in any kindergarten program.

Documentation is required by your child’s kindergarten confirming that your child is fully immunised, is on a vaccination catch-up program or is unable to be fully immunised for medical reasons.

Kindergarten Melton City Council

We manage the central registration process for 26 kindergartens within the municipality in order to facilitate the placement of children into funded kindergarten programs in the two years prior to attending primary school.

Melton City Council has a licence agreements with One Tree Community Services, BPA Children’s Services, ECMS, Spakways, Kororoit Creek Primary School, Creekside K-9 College and Springside Prep -9 College to manage the operations of kindergartens from council owned facilities. We also administer kindergarten registrations for Melton Uniting Kindergarten.

We work closely with these early years managers to ensure programs are of a high quality and meet the needs of the community. 

2023 Kindergarten registrations

Please Note: Bridge Road 4 year old Kindergarten 2023 & Timbertop 3 & 4 year old Kindergarten 2023 are FULL with large Wait Lists. We recommend choosing another Kindergarten to guarantee your child a place at Kindergarten in 2023.

• Register your child online for Kindergarten 2023. 
• 2023 Kindergarten Registration Information Booklet(PDF, 3MB)

2022 Kindergarten registrations

• Register your child online for Kindergarten 2022. 
• 2022 Kindergarten Registration Information Booklet(PDF, 4MB)

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The Parent Portal

Kindergarten registrations are linked to a parent portal.  This will provide you with access to your processed application by enabling you to:

• make changes to Kindergarten preferences (prior to first round offers)
• acceptance of offer (after offer letters have been received)
• decline an offer (after offer letters have been received)
• cancel a placement.

Parent portal – in order to access the parent portal you will need to use your application ID, which will be included in the confirmation that you will receive from Council within 4 weeks after you submit your registration.

Please note: If you are experiencing issues with the Parent Portal link using Internet Explorer, please copy and paste the link into Google Chrome or Microsoft Edge.

Kindergarten registrations

Do you have a child who will be ready to attend 3 or 4 year old kindergarten in 2022 or 2023? Submit your registration online now.

How old does my child need to be for kindergarten?

4 year old kindergarten

Your child must be 4 years old by 30 April in the year your child attends kindergarten to be eligible for a funded 4 year old kindergarten place.

3 year old kindergarten

Your child must be 3 years old by 30 April in the year your child attends kindergarten to be eligible for a funded 3 year old kindergarten place.

How do I register my child for kindergarten?

Melton City Council runs a Central Registration and Enrolment Scheme (CRES) which makes it easier for you to register your child for kindergarten for the 26 services in the City of Melton that participate in the scheme. 

You can register your child online for Kindergarten 2022 & 2023. 

If you are unable to submit your form online, you can download a hard copy of the form below:

• 2022 Kindergarten Registration Form(PDF, 2MB)
• 2023 Kindergarten Registration Form(PDF, 2MB)

Lodgement of your completed hard copy form must be in person at one of our 3 locations listed below, and payment (where applicable) made directly with our Customer Service Team before we can process your application.  

• Melton Civic Centre, 232 High Street Melton
• Melton Library and Learning Hub, 31 McKenzie Street Melton
• Caroline Springs Library, 193-199 Caroline Springs Blvd, Caroline Springs

Application Fees:

• The application fee for 2022 is $31.
• The application fee for 2023 is $32.

Your child must be 3 or 4 years old by 30 April the year your child attends Kindergarten to be eligible for a funded 3 or 4 year old kindergarten place.

What do I need to register?

The registration form will ask you for some contact details, some information about your child and about factors that might prioritise your child’s allocation to a kindergarten.

Melton City Council follows the Priority of Access guidelines that supports the inclusion of children with additional needs, children of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander background, asylum seeker and refugee families with an appropriate visa, and children known to Child Protection.

To complete the kindergarten registration form, make sure you have:

• Proof of residence: a utilities bill, rental agreement or rates notice with your family name and address (this must be the main residence of your child)
• copy of child’s birth certificate (if the birth certificate is unavailable, a copy of another official document such as an immunisation record or passport will be accepted)
• Your debit or credit card (to pay the registration fee)
• Concession cards and immigration visas (where applicable)
• Documents from Family Support Services or a Maternal and Child Health nurse confirming high support needs and/or disability, or letter from a doctor for complex medical needs (where applicable)

The form will also ask you about preferences for which kindergarten you would like your child to go to. We recommend that you visit the kindergarten and ask questions, to see if the kindergarten is right for you and your child. 

Frequently asked questions about kindergarten

How are kindergarten places offered?

Melton City Council allocates kindergarten places fairly and transparently via a priority of access.

All remaining children are randomly ordered via a ballot to be allocated to their highest available preference. There is no ‘first in, first served’ rule.

If your preferred Kindergarten(s) are full, you will remain on a wait list.

Families will receive information from Kindergartens directly regarding orientation details.

Non-resident applications will be reviewed by our General Manager as they are submitted and you will be notified of the outcome.

What are the benefits of kindergarten?

Children learn more in their first 5 years of life than at any other time. Kindergarten provides children with an environment that encourages and supports their development. Kindergarten gives children the opportunity to explore the world and provides a solid foundation to learn the skills that are required for Primary School.

Kindergarten provides opportunities to:

• Develop communication and literacy skills
• Develop independence and responsibilities to gain confidence and a feeling of self- worth
• Learn social skills such as listening and respecting other people’s ideas
• Build self-awareness and respect for others
• Learn to be creative
• Experience maths, social studies and science
• Use technology
• Discover the joy of learning
• Make new friends

Children learn these skills through play-based curriculum where they are able to make choices and share in decision making.

Children are provided with the opportunity to develop caring relationships with adults as well as friendships with other children. The best outcomes for children are achieved when Kindergarten staff and parents work in close partnership.

What different kinds of kindergarten services are available?

• Sessional kindergarten programs operate in line with the school terms and usually have a parent fee contribution that is paid on a per term basis (i.e. every three months). This fee is waived for eligible families. Funded 4 year old kindergarten programs run for 15 hours per week, and funded 3 year old kindergarten programs run for a minimum of 5 hours per week.
• Kindergarten programs in long day care settings can provide flexibility for parents/carers who have commitments during standard working hours. Long day care centres typically operate for at least eight hours a day for a minimum of 48 weeks per year and charge on a per-day basis. Children can access a funded kindergarten program at many long day care centres. Please note that Council does not manage registrations for kindergarten programs at long day care centres. Please contact centres directly for more information.

All funded kindergarten programs are delivered by a qualified early childhood teacher.

Is 3 year old funded kindergarten available in the City of Melton?

The Victorian Government is investing in kindergarten for all three year olds; giving all children an extra year of learning playing and making friends. From 2022, children in the City of Melton will be able to access up to five hours of three year old funded kindergarten per week. Registrations for funded three year old kindergarten at 26 kindergarten locations will be managed by the Melton City Council Central Registration and Enrolment scheme.

You can register your child online for 3 year old Kindergarten 2022 & 2023.

If you are unable to submit your form online, you can obtain a hard copy form at one at the below locations:

• Melton Civic Centre, 232 High Street Melton
• Melton Library and Learning Hub, 31 McKenzie Street Melton
• Caroline Springs Library, 193-199 Caroline Springs Blvd, Caroline Springs

Your child must be 3 years old by 30 April the year your child attends Kindergarten to be eligible for a funded 3 year old kindergarten place.

• The registration fee for 2022 is $31
• The registration fee for 2023 is $32

Where are kindergartens located in the City of Melton?

Visit our kindergartens located within the City of Melton for a list of local kindergartens. 

When should I send my child to kindergarten?

Your child should turn three by 30 April of the year they start a 3 year old Kindergarten program.

Your child should turn four by 30 April of the year they start a 4 year old Kindergarten program.

It is usual for children to attend a kindergarten program in the year before they start primary school. This is often called ‘four-year-old kindergarten’.

Your child can start school if they turn five years old by 30 April of the year they start school. Your child must be enrolled in school by the age of six, unless they have an exemption. So, if your child’s birthday falls before 30 April in the calendar year, you have a choice about whether to enrol your child in school in the year they turn five or the next year.

Children learn at different rates, in different ways, and at different times. In some cases, your child may benefit from starting a kindergarten program later. 

It is important for families to carefully consider if their child is ready for 4 year old kindergarten as the following year, the child will attend school.

Please note children do not need to be toilet trained to attend Kindergarten.

What is the cost of kindergarten?

A one-time fee of $31 for 2022, and $32 for 2023 to process your registration will apply. A fee waiver of the application fee will automatically apply to families eligible for Kindergarten Fee Subsidy and/or Early Start Kindergarten. Families in extenuating circumstances, experiencing financial hardship may apply for a waiver to the application fee.

The Victorian Government subsidises Four-Year-Old Kindergarten fees. Annual fees for four-year-old programs vary depending on the kindergarten provider. Contact your preferred kindergarten for specific information on their fees.

The Victorian Government is rolling out subsidies for Three-Year-Old Kindergarten programs. Annual fees for three-year-old programs range depending on the kindergarten provider.

Can I get help with the cost of kindergarten?

The state government also provides eligible children with assistance to attend low-cost or free kindergarten.

Early Start Kindergarten (ESK) allows eligible 3 year olds to access 15 hours per week of free or low-cost kindergarten. ESK is available for children who are:

• three years old by 30 April in the year they are enrolled
• Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander
• Refugee and asylum seeker children
• Children known to Child Protection

The Kindergarten Fee Subsidy (KFS) allows eligible 4 year olds to access 15 hours per week of free or low-cost kindergarten. Your child is eligible for the kindergarten fee subsidy:

• if your child identifies as Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander
• if your child is identified on their birth certificate as being a multiple birth child (triplets or more)

If your child holds or has a parent or guardian who holds, one of the following:

• a Commonwealth Health Care Card
• a Commonwealth Pensioner Concession Card
• a Department of Veterans Affairs Gold Card or White Card
• refugee or Asylum Seeker visa (200-204, 786 or 866)
• bridging visas for any of the above Refugee or Asylum Seeker visas.

How do I choose the right kindergarten for my child?

Each child has unique needs and therefore families are encouraged to contact Kindergartens and/or arrange an appointment to visit preferred Kindergartens prior to completing the registration form.

Some things you might like to consider are:

• What is the kindergarten quality rating?
• What are the available sessions days and times and do these suit your family’s needs?
• What is the physical environment like? Does is feel safe and welcoming?
• What is the kindergarten philosophy and what types of activities do they provide?

Families are encouraged to ‘look for the Kinder Tick’ logo displayed at a service. When you see the Kinder Tick you can be confident :

• the program will be led by a qualified teacher
• children will benefit from play-based learning
• the kindergarten program is funded and approved by the Victorian Government
• the program complies with government guidelines and the National Quality Framework

Please note: when filling out the registration form ensure you only write down Kindergarten preferences that you are willing to accept, as not everyone will receive their first preference.

Does my child need to be immunised to attend kindergarten?

Under the ‘No Jab, No Play’ legislation, before enrolling a child into Kindergarten you must first obtain evidence that the child is:

• fully immunised for their age OR
• on a vaccination catch-up program OR
• unable to be fully immunised for medical reasons.

‘Conscientious objection’ is not an exemption under the ‘No Jab No Play’ legislation.

You will be required to provide your selected Kindergarten with a copy of your child’s immunisation status to confirm registration.

What days and times does kindergarten operate?

Individual Kindergarten session times vary from year to year. Please contact kindergarten providers below directly for an indication of session times offered in the current year.

SPARKWAYS:
Ph: 8545-9500

(Bellevue Hill, Diggers Rest, Deanside, Eynesbury Kingsway, Melton West, Mt Carberry, Parkwood Green, Rockbank and Burnside Kindergartens).

ECMS:

Ph: 8481-1100

(Brookside, Cambrian Way, Arnolds Creek, Melton Central and Bridge Road Kindergartens).

BPA:
Ph: 9312-3689

(Brookfield, Botanica Springs Fraser Rise and Taylors Hill Kindergartens).

Uniting Care, Lentara

Ph: 9351-3600

(Melton Uniting Kindergarten).

One Tree Community Services:

Ph: 8311 6200

(Timbertop)

Kindergartens operating within a school site are delivered by the school:
Kororoit Creek: Ph: 8358 0600
Springside: Ph: 9449 6400
Creekside :Ph: 8363 6400 

What is Early Start Kindergarten?

Early Start Kindergarten (ESK) was introduced in response to research showing that two years of quality education and care prepares children for success at school and leads to positive impacts later in life.

ESK provides free or low cost Kindergarten for:

• All three year old Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children
• Three year old children known to Child Protection or referred from Child Protection to Child First
• Refugee and asylum seeker children

Children must be aged at least three years by 30 April in the year they enrol to be eligible for a place.  Children can only start ESK after they have turned three years of age.

Children participating in ESK may also be eligible for the Access to Early Learning Program.

What is the Koorie Kids Shine Initiative?

Koorie Kids Shine was launched by the Victorian Government to help promote participation by Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander children in kindergarten.

Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander children can get up to 15 hours of free kindergarten each week. To be eligible, your child must turn three or four years old by 30 April in the year they go to kindergarten.

More information

What if my child has additional needs?

Melton City Council is committed to supporting children with additional needs in State Government funded Kindergarten programs.

The information collected on the registration form ensures families and children have access to additional assistance with the transition of their child into Kindergarten programs, regardless of the family’s circumstances or background. This includes families whose children have significant disabilities, developmental delays, refugees and asylum seeker families.

If you would like to discuss your child’s additional needs further and find out how Council may be able to assist you and your child please contact our Pre School Field Officer service on 9747 7200.

The role of the Pre School Field Officer program is to support the access and participation of children with additional needs in State Government funded 3 and 4 year old Kindergarten programs and to build the capacity of educators working with children. The program supports children with a range of developmental and additional needs who are not receiving supports from Early Childhood Intervention Services or Kindergarten inclusion support services.

Parents and guardians are encouraged to discuss any concerns about the child with their Kindergarten teacher.

Once a referral is received, a Preschool Field Officer will contact the Kindergarten to discuss support options, as this is often individual to each educator and child.  A visit to the service is then usually organised to observe the child & environment, and work with educators to increase their skills and knowledge to help ensure the delivery of an inclusive program. The PSFO will also assist with parent meetings and linking children and families in with any relevant community or specialist services who can provide further support or assessments.   

Learn more about the Pre School Field Officer Program.

What if my child needs a second year of funded 4 year old kindergarten?

During the Kindergarten year, the early childhood teacher and the child’s parent will work together to plan for the child’s transition to school. This will involve open and honest communication about the child’s learning and development and strategies to facilitate a smooth transition.

Where a child is observed to display delays in key outcome areas of learning and development, the possibility of a second year of funded Kindergarten may be considered. However, a second year should only be considered if Kindergarten will be the most appropriate environment to address the child’s delays in development. Children can develop at different rates and some children may develop at a slower rate than others.

From the time of registration, regular communication between the parent and the early childhood teacher in relation to a child’s learning and development is important. If a parent and/ or early childhood teacher observes any concerns with a child’s learning or development, strategies can be planned and implemented to support the child in those specific areas.

When considering whether a second year of funded Kindergarten will benefit a child, the early childhood teacher and parent must ensure that the child meets the eligibility criteria for a second year.

Determining eligibility for a second year of funded 4 year old kindergarten

An assessment of the child is undertaken and a Declaration of Eligibility for a second year of funded Kindergarten is completed and sent to the appropriate Departmental regional office. DET is responsible for approving second year requests.

It is important that teachers ensure the plans and forms are completed accurately as they will be subject to annual audit processes undertaken by the Department.

Eligibility criteria

The early childhood teacher can deem a child is eligible to receive a second year of funded 4 year old Kindergarten if:

• the child is observed as having delays in at least two outcome areas of learning and development detailed in the Victorian Early Years and Development Framework, and
• there is evidence to suggest that the child will achieve better outcomes if he/she attends a second year of Kindergarten to strengthen the learning and development of skills in these areas and better facilitate transition to school the following year.

Children who have been granted early entry to Kindergarten (i.e. children who are less than four years of age by 30 April in the year they attend a funded Kindergarten program) are not eligible to apply for a second year of funded Kindergarten, unless they are enrolled under the Early Start Kindergarten criteria.

What is the National Quality Framework?

A Regulatory Authority in each state and territory will be primarily responsible for administering the National Quality Framework.

The Australian Children’s Education and Care Quality Authority  will oversee the National Quality Framework and ensure the consistent and effective implementation of the new system.

National Quality Standard

The National Quality Standard sets a national benchmark for the quality of education and care services.

The National Quality Standard is divided into seven Quality Areas:

• Educational program and practice
• Children’s health and safety
• Physical environment
• Staffing arrangements
• Relationships with children
• Collaborative partnerships with families and communities
• Leadership and service management

The National Quality Standard aims to promote:

• The safety, health and wellbeing of children
• A focus on achieving outcomes for children through high-quality educational programs
• Families’ understanding of what distinguishes a quality service.

National Quality Rating and Assessment Process

Approved Services will be assessed and rated against each of the seven Quality Areas of the National Quality Standard and the National Regulations. They will also be given an overall rating. The rating and assessment process aims to drive continuous quality improvement at services and provide families with better information for making choices about their children’s education and care. Early childhood experts and professionals maintain that quality is critical when it comes to early childhood education and care. 

Other useful information

Change of information(DOCX, 43KB)
Kindergarten Central Registration Policy(DOCX, 74KB) 
Kindergarten Central Registration Policy(PDF, 214KB) 
Kindergarten Central Registration Procedure(DOCX, 79KB) 
Kindergarten Central Registration Procedure(PDF, 325KB) 
Department of Education and Training

For more information, contact our Kindergarten Registration Team  on 9747 7284, or by email at kindergartens@melton. vic.gov.au

For any information regarding kindergarten session times, fees or three year old kindergarten contact the Kindergartens directly.

If sessional kindergarten hours do not meet the needs of your family, a funded kindergarten program in a Long Day Care centre may meet your needs. Please contact Long Day Care Centres directly.

3 Year Old Kindergarten | YMCA Children’s Programs

You can now combine the educational benefits of 3-year-old kindergarten sessions with a flexible day care service. The Y is excited to announce that we will be offering funded 3-year-old kindergarten at all our long day care centres in 2022. Find out what this means for your child and be one of the first to secure a place.

Register your interest now

Why is 3-year-old kindergarten being offered?

The Y is part of the Victorian Government’s rollout of funded three-year-old kindergarten. This plan is investing almost $5 billion over ten years so that children across the state will have access to two years of funded kindergarten programs.

Research shows that structured quality play-based early learning supports young children’s development and provides benefits into school and adult years. The government reform recognises the importance of this and the 3-year-old funded kindergarten rollout will help provide Victorian children with these advantages.

The funding is provided directly to kindergartens and supports additional hours for a qualified early childhood teacher.

What does this mean for you?

You will be able to access more 3-year-old kindergarten positions in your area which previously weren’t available. The government funded kindergarten will help centres service the cost of children attending kinder. This helps keep your fees low.

Benefits of 3-year-old kindergarten

Structured play-based learning in kindergarten provides long lasting developmental benefits. Here are 10 benefits of participating in a 3-year-old kindergarten program:

1. Evidence demonstrates that 2 years of kinder are better than 1 year.
2. Neuroscience research show that early learning is vital for optimal development.
3. Age-appropriate play-based learning supports your child’s holistic development. This is facilitated by learning through play, risk-based play, nature play, indoor/outdoor play and messy play.
4. Social, cognitive, and emotional development as well as communication and teamwork skills are enhanced.
5. Kindergarten teachers are trained to identify and support children who have additional needs.
6. Children learn about science, maths, literature, and environmental awareness by participating in play-based learning activities.
7. Creative and innovative thinking is enhanced through imaginative play, construction and art and music activities.
8. Maths and logic skills are developed through structured games and play.
9. Prepares children for 4-year-old kinder the following year.
10. High-quality kindergarten program tailored to child’s individual needs and interests.

3-year-old kindergarten programs

3-year-old kindergarten programs are available as a part of long-day care services or standalone programs. Long day care kinder is often called integrated kindergarten as the kinder program takes place within the same early learning childcare service and facility. Standalone kindergarten programs are also known as sessional kinder, which is where children attend on specific days and times.

The Y provides integrated 3-year-old kindergarten programs at all our 18 early learning centre locations across Melbourne and Victoria as well as sessional kindergarten for 3-year-olds at 5 of these locations: Derrimut, Lightning Reef, Mernda, Truganina South, Torquay.

The Y 3-year-old kinder program is delivered by bachelor qualified early childhood kindergarten teachers. Whether you attend our sessional or integrated kinder services your child will receive the same high quality, government approved kindergarten program. 

The caring Y early learning centre staff are here to support you and your child.

The Y integrated kinder difference

• Our centre services are open between 6:30am and 6:30pm.
• The Y provides five hours of 3-year-old kinder program each day Monday – Friday between 9am and 2pm. You can choose which kinder day suits you and your child best.
• Drop off and pick up your child any time during the opening times.
• One easy drop off and pick up – siblings are able to attend the same centre for child care or 4-year-old kinder.
• Operates 52 weeks of the year, closed only for public holidays (or COVID-19 restrictions)
• Ideal for active parents and working families.
• You pay the standard price per day for early learning childcare. There is no extra charge for your child to attend the Y 3-year-old kindergarten sessions.
• All meals are provided for the day. The cost of meals is included in the daily fee. Meals are nutritious and made on site. Dietary and allergy requirements for your child will be catered to.

Key information

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  Who is eligible
  

  To be eligible for the funded 3-year-old kindergarten, your child must be 3 years of age or older by 30 April 2022.

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  3-year-old kinder fees
  

  Sessional kinder fees The fees for sessional kindergarten are charged per term for Derrimut and per session for Lightning Reef, Mernda, Truganina South and Torquay. View your preferred kindergarten location page to see the 2022 fees. Kindergarten fee subsidy Families attending sessional kindergarten who are eligible for the kindergarten fee subsidy do not pay any fees. Families can access a sessional kindergarten service at low or no cost if the child:  is Aboriginal and/or Torres Strait Islander is a triplet or quadruplet is covered by a Health Care Card holds an eligible concession card or refugee, humanitarian or asylum seeker visa, or their parent or guardian does. Integrated kinder fees The fees for integrated 3-year-old kindergarten are charged at the standard daily rate for the service, and are specific to each site location in Victoria. The fee is the same whether you drop your child off for the 5-hour kindergarten program between 9am and 2pm, or whether your child attends the centre longer hours between the opening times of 6:30am and 6:30pm. The Y enrolment support team can advise you of the daily 3-year-old kinder centre fees for your preferred location. Please submit an enquiry using the form below on this page. Childcare subsidy for integrated kinder The Child Care Subsidy (CCS) is available to be applied to these integrated 3-year-old kindergarten daily fees. This subsidy is provided by the Australian Federal government. There is further information about eligibility for the CCS subsidy on the Services Australia website. You can apply for this subsidy using your Centrelink online account through myGov.

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  3-year-old kinder hours
  

  The Y provides five hours per week of funded 3-year-old kindergarten at each location in 2022. Sessional kinder There are different sessional hours available. The Y enrolment support team provide information about sessional kindergarten hours and discuss options that would suit you best.    Integrated kinder Our 3-year-old kinder program operates between 9am and 2pm each day. Children attending integrated 3-year-old kinder are required to attend 1 day per week. You can choose which kinder day suits you and your child best. You can also drop off your child at our day care service any time between our opening hours of 6:30am and 6:30pm. The Y enrolment support team can advise you of the daily 3-year-old kinder centre fees for your preferred location. Please submit an enquiry using the form below on this page.

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  Vaccination
  

  ‘No Jab, No Play’ is Victorian Government legislation that requires all children to be fully vaccinated unless they have a medical exemption to be enrolled in childcare or kindergarten in Victoria. Parents or guardians are responsible for providing an Immunisation History Statement from the Australian Immunisation Register (AIR) and this must be provided within the two months prior to the child starting at the centre. The statement must show that the child is up to date with all vaccinations that are due for their age, or they are able to receive, as per the National Immunisation Program.

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  Enrolment documents required
  

  Child’s identity documents; birth certificate, passport must be provided when enrolling.

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The Y Kindergarten programs are government approved and funded

The Kinder Tick logo has been implemented by the Victorian government to help families find a funded, approved kindergarten program that is led by a qualified teacher and complies with the government National Quality Framework to provide play-based learning benefits for your child. Look for the Kinder Tick.

Does a child need a kindergarten? Understanding together with a psychologist

The kid is already 3 years old, and you still haven’t decided whether it’s time to send him to kindergarten and is it necessary at all? After all, perhaps it is better to raise a baby at home? Everything has its positive and negative sides. How to teach a child to open up to new things, build relationships with other people and at the same time not harm his psyche, says psychologist Natalya Kniga for the 103.by resource.

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What are the benefits of kindergarten?

– Usually children are brought to kindergarten when they are 3 years old. This is a great age to start active acquaintances with peers.

Children learn to communicate with teachers, get used to certain social norms and rules of behavior. All this helps kids to socialize. And at the next stage, when it’s time to go to school, it will be easier for them to establish contacts with classmates, with teachers, and indeed with people in general.

In the kindergarten, the crumbs are also accustomed to a certain routine. Get up, eat and walk at the same time. This is primarily good for health, secondly for discipline. If the baby does not want to get up at home, often the mother does not force him to. Does the kid go out to play in the yard every day with his parents, and even at the same hour? What if adults are tired? What if things suddenly came up? It’s not always possible.

In addition, it is often in the garden that children learn what they did not know how before: go to the potty, wash their hands, tie their shoelaces, although nothing worked out at home.

When to sound the alarm?

— Of course, not all children adapt at once. Normally, the child should get used to new conditions from 7-10 days to a month. If the process drags on for up to 6 months, this is already a difficult adaptation. In the case when the baby continues to refuse to go to kindergarten, it is better to contact a psychologist.

Adaptation includes a range of individual reactions, the nature of which depends on the psychophysical and personal characteristics of the child, as well as on the structure of family relationships. Simply put, every baby is different. And yet it is very important how parents behave.

There are factors on which children’s adaptation to kindergarten depends, for example:

1. The state of health and the level of development of the child.

2. Age (children from 1 to 3 years of age are especially vulnerable, since it is during this period that it is very difficult for them to “break away” from their mother. Attachment to the mother is a necessary condition for the normal mental development of a child – contributes to the formation of such important personality traits, as trust in the world, positive self-perception, initiative, curiosity.

Children 2-3 years of age are afraid of strangers and new social situations. These fears are one of the reasons for the difficult adaptation of the child to the nursery

3. Risks of biological and social history:

• Biological factors (mother’s diseases during pregnancy and childbirth, baby’s diseases during the neonatal period and before entering the garden).
• Social factors (improper daily routine of the child; insufficient daytime and nighttime sleep; bad habits; improper organization of wakefulness; inability to communicate with adults and children; unformed subject and play activities of the child).

— It is always difficult for the only children in the family to get used to the garden, children who are overprotected, dependent on their mother, accustomed to exclusive attention, not self-confident.

Systematic tantrums in the garden are often a common unpreparedness of parents. It is recommended that before giving the baby to some group, come there yourself, get acquainted with the teachers and the rules of the garden.

By the way, now different institutions have a lot of special deviations: speech therapy, sanatorium treatment, or even an emphasis on learning foreign languages ​​in a playful way. Only you know what will be useful, and most importantly, interesting to your son or daughter.

A child’s anxiety often arises from the parent’s suspiciousness. When the baby is naughty, crying, he looks at the reaction of a loved one, usually a mother. If she lisps, coaxes the child or starts crying (this happens), of course, tantrums will become the norm.

Sometimes a woman subconsciously does not want to let go of her child. At the level of deep connection, the baby feels this and begins … to-bo-le-wat. The reason for many colds, skin rashes, psychosomatic disorders often lies precisely in this. Before you give your son or daughter to the garden, prepare yourself internally for this.

— If the mother in the family is too emotional, it is better to let the father take the child to the kindergarten for some time.

How to help your child adapt to an unfamiliar environment

Rule #1. Give the baby to kindergarten at the right age

– Girls are ready for this already at 2.5-3 years. The boys shouldn’t be rushed. The optimal age for them is 3.5-4 years, and in some cases even 5 years. The fact is that boys are more attached to their mother, therefore, as a rule, the process of getting used to other people takes longer.

Rule #2. Talk to caregivers

— This is a very important point. Parents should tell caregivers about the characteristics of their child. For example, that he does not sleep well, eats slowly and does not need to be rushed, does not know how to do something (for example, hold a spoon), bites his nails or sucks his finger, in which cases he may become hysterical. This is necessary so that for adults these nuances are not a discovery and they understand how to build a dialogue with your baby, what to pay special attention to, what needs to be taught.

Rule #3. Never sort things out with kindergarten workers in the presence of a child

— “If the mother gets annoyed, yells at the teacher, then the kindergarten is bad, I won’t go there again,” such thoughts arise in the child’s head when you do not restrain your emotions. Even if the actions of the educator seem incompetent to you, the dialogue should always be calm, in a respectful tone. In this case, it is desirable to talk in private.

Rule #4. Create your ritual

– Wave goodbye to your son or daughter 3 times, kiss each cheek, say what time or period of time you will return (for example, after lunch or after an evening walk).

Rule #5. Explain to the child why you are leaving him for a while

– Phrases like: “I will go to my job to earn money, and you will meet the children at this time, usually work well. You will play with new toys, go for a walk outside, you will be told a lot of interesting things, and then I will definitely come and pick you up.”

You yourself know which words will be the most correct for your baby. The child must understand why he is here, in a new place, and when they will return for him.

Rule #6. Don’t give in to the entreaties of grandparents

— “Why should he go to the garden today, let’s sit with him,” your parents say, and the child happily jumps into their arms. This is bad practice. The regime is going astray, and this kind of indulgence leads to new whims. Let grandma and grandpa pamper their sunshine this weekend.

Rule #7. Ask the child how his day went

– Firstly, any kid is happy when you are interested in his affairs, and secondly, in such a simple way you can find out what the child does not like in the kindergarten, what problems he has. The information you receive will be very helpful.

But positive news also deserves attention. When your baby talks about friends, discoveries, a tasty patty or a special toy, react more to these words. Reinforce positive emotions with phrases: “Well, wow!”, “How great it is in your garden!”, “Tell me more about this!”.

Rule #8. Feel free to contact a psychologist

— Each garden has its own psychologist. Talk to him, let him watch your baby. In some cases, the child just needs to be transferred to another group and the problem will be solved.

Rule #9. Do not hurry. Accustom the baby to the new gradually

– You can first come along with the child for a couple of hours, then leave him alone, but not for long, gradually increasing the duration. And some kindergartens today offer special preparatory classes, when the kids get to know the institution in advance, even before joining their group. I think this is a great option.

Rule #10. Use toys, gifts and “magic”

– Children love games and fun. At first, you can promise the baby that when you return, you will bring candy or a small gift with you.

Play “wonderful locker”. The game is very simple. Tell the kid that his locker for things is magical, and when you come in the evening, a surprise will appear in it. At the appointed time, the child closes his eyes, and you put a chocolate bar or lollipop in the locker. Who wouldn’t want to go where real miracles happen every day?

Another good tip. Let the kid “bring” his toy to the garden. Grab your favorite bear. Explain to the child that the plush friend has not yet seen the kindergarten, let the child show him everything, introduce him to other toys, to the guys. You can even leave the clubfoot in a new place for the night. In the morning, the baby will make sure that nothing happened to the toy, which means that it is safe here.

How to understand that the baby is comfortable in the garden

— In fact, everything is very simple. First, the baby will meet you in a good mood. Secondly, he will want to tell as much as possible: what he ate, with whom and what he played, about the poem that must be learned for the matinee, and so on. Thirdly, he will get up without difficulty even on weekends, he will completely get used to the new regimen.

Disadvantages of kindergarten

— First of all, negative aspects appear due to the wrong behavior of parents. Hasty accustoming to the garden, broken promises, inattention to the child’s emotions can really lead to psychological trauma.

Especially I do not recommend gardens with round the clock groups. Avoid this option if possible. The kid will already be under stress from the absence of his mother nearby, and when he stays with strangers for a day, can you imagine what a shock it is? Of course, children are different. But more often than not, a long-term change in the familiar environment does not lead to anything good.

– Wrong approach contributes to nervous tics, urinary incontinence, restless sleep, fears and so on. Psychological problems entail unpleasant consequences. A person in adulthood may never learn to trust people, he will not be sure of himself, he will begin to experience difficulties in communication.

Of course, it is important to whom the child gets. For children who are phlegmatic or melancholic in nature, it will be difficult with a choleric educator.

Sometimes the teachers themselves do not notice the negative notes in their phrases. For example: “Everyone has already eaten, but are you still chewing? Come on faster”, “The guys have gathered for a long time. We are waiting only for you”, “It is high time to learn how to fasten buttons yourself. Only you can’t.” At first glance, there is nothing accusatory in these phrases, but inside the child, resentment and the conviction that he is the worst of all ripen. That is why I recommend that parents talk to their child in order to notice such moments in time.

How to raise a child at home

— If parents decide to skip kindergarten and raise their child at home, it is important to remember some important things.

The kid needs a strict daily routine. Design the best schedule for your child. You can consult with experts or at least stick to the schedule of kindergartens: get up early, breakfast, some activities, games, lunch, be sure to take a nap, walk, dinner and timely bedtime. Otherwise, due to overstrain of the nervous system, the child may feel tired. Whims and a bad mood await you, and when school starts, don’t be surprised at the great difficulties in adapting to the new rhythm of life.

Clubs and educational activities should be attended in the morning. Then there should be a break, daytime sleep, and after that you can work out a little more, but with a smaller load. And remember, the baby needs communication with peers, do not deprive him of this opportunity.

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Municipal budgetary pre-school educational institution “Kindergarten No. 3”

Of all creations, the most beautiful is a person who has received an excellent upbringing.

Municipal budgetary preschool educational institution “Kindergarten No. 3” was founded on September 28, 1973.

Legal address: 684090, Kamchatka Territory, Vilyuchinsk, Primorskaya street 3.

Head – Elena Alexandrovna Khopina phone/fax (41535)3-39-52
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The official website of the institution – http://vildetsad3.ru/

The kindergarten is open 5 days a week, from 07.00 to 19.00 (on pre-holiday days – from 07.00 to 18.00), except for Saturdays, Sundays and public holidays.

There are 10 groups in the kindergarten: 2 groups for young children and 8 preschool groups.

Preschool education in the institution is aimed at the formation of a general culture, the development of physical, intellectual, moral, aesthetic and personal qualities, the formation of the prerequisites for educational activities, the preservation and strengthening of the health of pupils. All conditions have been created in the preschool institution to protect the life and strengthen the physical and mental health of pupils.

Our main principle of upbringing is faith in the CHILD, in its POSSIBILITIES and POWERS. Accept the child for who he is. Recognize its uniqueness.

The main method of education is to give the child the joy of communicating with us, the joy of joint knowledge, joint work, play and recreation.

Our teachers:

Creative people, without whom the success of the process of upbringing, development and education of the child is impossible;

Professionals who choose their methods of work based on their own individuality, understanding their purpose;

Teachers who are able to reach a higher level of spirituality and education on the way to professional improvement;

Women who carry the warmth of their hearts to children, their mothers and fathers, grandparents;

Colleagues who create a friendly creative atmosphere within the walls of our wonderful House.

MBDOU “Kindergarten No. 3” is:

• The winner of the municipal competition of open events of a patriotic orientation “Glory to the Fatherland!”, 2019.
• The winner of the Competitive selection of the best teaching staff of organizations engaged in educational activities in the Kamchatka Territory, implementing preschool education programs in 2018.
• The winner of the International competition of professional skills of specialists of preschool educational organizations “Skill without borders, 2018.
• Finalist of the International Competition of Pedagogical Excellence “Teacher of the Year – 2018”, 2018
• Laureate of the contest “Nature. Culture. Ecology” of the XVI All-Russian Children’s Ecological Forum “Green Planet 2018”, 2018.
• The winner of the municipal competition of methodological developments, 2018.
• The winner of the regional family competition of models of retroreflective devices “The brighter, the safer!”, 2017.

We guarantee the high quality of educational work in accordance with the federal state educational standard for preschool education.

This is evidenced by the successful learning outcomes of kindergarten graduates in primary school.

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At what age do you start kindergarten at 2 and 9 or at 3 and 9?

At what age is it best for a child to start kindergarten? Now age 2. 2. It seems so small yet, he is afraid of a large concentration of children on the playgrounds, although if there are few people, he plays well with 1-2 children.
On the other hand, he eats by himself, says that everything is ok with the toilet, diapers are only for a walk. He just doesn’t dress well himself.
And there are already few 3-year-old summer camps in the area, that is, a whole year without communication will practically be in the fall.
Again, on the other hand, I read that it seems to be better for a child to give to kindergarten by the age of 4.
There is a possibility to stay at home until 3.9.
In general, the head is spinning.
Please advise which is better.

if it is possible to leave at home up to 3.9, I would leave it, and during this period I would take it to developmental programs, but if this is not possible, give it at 2.9, it will grow up in six months

yes, it is possible to stay at home until 3.9

I will give it back at 2. 9. If I could sit at home, then sitab. But mine asks to go to the garden, we already went to the GKP, due to the fact that we often began to get sick, I wrote an application for 2 months with the preservation of the place. But the daughter asks, as I wrote above, she is already more interesting there than with me. We are 2.1 now.

I think we need to look at the individual child. I have three children, of which only the middle one went to kindergarten without problems at 2.5 years old. The eldest could not stand the garden until its completion, although there were several attempts to send her there, the last attempt was already in the preparatory group, the last year came with a creak. I tried to give the younger one to 2.6 – tears and illnesses, probably closer to the 4th will go.
As for the team and how the child will fit in: I can judge by the group of the middle daughter. At the age of 3-4 years, attendance was very poor. According to the list, there were 25 people, and in the kindergarten there were no more than 10-12 people, and accordingly they changed. The older they got, the better they walked. Therefore, I think that 3 or 4 years in this regard, there is no difference, it all depends on the character.
And about the lack of company – we have a whole bunch of non-Garden children in the area of ​​\u200b\u200bour house, thanks to the friendship of nannies and grandmothers, basically they all play together, despite their age – from 2.5 to 6-7. My children are in the recovery period, when they are no longer sick, but they don’t go to the garden, they always walk with them. A company of 10 people can be recruited, and in the summer even more. Communicate, get acquainted with mothers and nannies and your child will have a society.

in my opinion, if there is an opportunity at 3.9, then 3.9 is better, my son went to 4.10, he managed everything

Children are all different. The eldest was only able to visit the garden normally by the age of five, the middle one at 3.5 went fine, but adapted for a couple of months, and the youngest went amazingly at 2. 10, on the second day he stayed to sleep and no tears, no suffering, he goes to the garden with pleasure, with pleasure returns home.
Try in 2.9. If it goes well, then fine, if not, then you can pick it up.

I gave mine closer to 4. In general, there is nothing special for a child up to 5 years old.

I don’t understand how it is more interesting in the garden than with my mother. There are more toy houses, the choice of where and how to walk is also greater. If the child is so sociable, then you can play with someone on the playground and invite peers to visit.

all children are different. My son had a whopping difference between 2.5 and 3.5. At 2.5 I tried to send him to a children’s group for 3 hours a day. As a result, I took it. At 3.5, he already had an interest in children, at least, and went to such a group normally. At 4, school began, a new place and new children-teachers, generally waved his hand and forward to a new life). But I don’t work, so it was possible to stay at home. In Russia, he was enrolled in a kindergarten from 2.2, and he would have gone like that if at that time they lived there, and I had to go to work.

I gave my youngest at 2.9. At first she cried when she took her away in the morning, for about a month, then she got used to it, now she asks to go to kindergarten, there are girlfriends and a friend. The teachers are good. Yesterday I saw a friend who came out after an illness and was so happy “my Zhenya came”
There is no one to play with during the day, now there is not a soul at all, only a couple of mothers with babies in strollers.
The garden has advantages, the daughter becomes more independent, she doesn’t “mum” every 5 minutes.

She would have become more independent anyway. Crying in the morning is a sign for me that the child is too early. Sometimes, however, there is not much choice.

When my eldest started 1st grade, there was a child on the line who started crying when the teacher led everyone to the class. Is he early for school? I got used to it later, got involved, the same with kindergartners. at 3.9 he can also cry, this is normal. How else can a child behave who was with his mother all the time and was left here with other people’s aunts. It is strange when a child calmly goes to any stranger.

I don’t see any reason to send the child to kindergarten now. Well, yes, probably he CAN go to your nursery. But maybe doesn’t mean it’s necessary. About fitting into the team – sorry, it’s ridiculous. The team, as a strong group communicating, God forbid, will appear there by the age of 5, but for now they are just children, most of them on their own, with a maximum of a couple of friends who can change at any moment.
I am writing from experience – the children went to the kindergarten at 2.3 and 3.5.

No need to compare the incomparable. But – how a child of barely two years old can ASK for kindergarten – I don’t understand this either.

It’s not about “barely two years old”, but about almost 3-4 years old, the difference is huge

That child just got scared the first time – that’s normal. And here the child cries every morning for a MONTH, this is not normal.

What is incomparable? Home is best.

We replayed everything, remade everything. Ons stretches herself. I especially love the music there. I don’t have a piano at home, and I can’t sing like a musician in a kindergarten. Toys get bored quickly. At least I give them out. Playgrounds, parks, etc. are walked a hundred times, I’m generally one of those mothers who walk for one and a half to two hours. We naturally play with children there. I do not like guests, especially such small guests. I will never have them! And there are many more toys in the garden. There are 8 strollers for dolls and they are all different. Machines pieces 10 and all different. Ride on any.

There is a boy in my daughter’s class, from kindergarten. He whined in the garden every morning, he couldn’t be torn away from his mother at school, he sobbed until grade 2. Too early?

Well, do not understand further. You can keep at home until the institute.

Yes, the child is not particularly social, sometimes.

Is 10 cars for 20 children a lot?

This is when 20 went something? Spawning more than 12-15 does not go. They do not all climb on the machines at the same time. What is sadness to you? Stay with yours until retirement. And I still have to work.

From the age of five, the garden is useful – the child really begins to want to communicate in a regular team, he can already be friends, and not just play side by side, competing for toys. And earlier – if necessary, with the parents. From 3 to 5 for a normal child – the age of compromise, when he can endure this garden because of the parental “need to work.” Up to 3, in my opinion, you can give only from complete hopelessness.

According to the list, there are usually more than 20. If the attendance was 50%, then what is there to do there? You can earn a lot by spending half your time on sick leave.

I worked in a kindergarten from 2003 to 2008 while the older one visited the kindergarten. How much and how is happening in the garden, I can tell better than you. I repeat, what kind of sadness do you have? You can sit at home and not work – I’m glad! If you don’t want to drive in the GKP, don’t drive. Are you being forced? We like it, we go. Also, I don’t want to lose my medical record. On this I will go to work in the fall)

According to the list 25, 15 go. Why are you wound up like that? Imagine, there are people who think differently and there are many of them. Did I kill you with this discovery?

I worked in your place at 2.9, what should I do at home with my mother? The bulk will be in the garden. Nobody on the site since morning. Only babies. Hanging around with my son now alone. He doesn’t want to play with me, apparently I’m tired. Like the opponent from above, everyone tried. But we will be on September 3. They don’t take them to the gkp, there are no places, she is the only one in our district. The main one is still small. We are waiting for autumn.

You are on to something. Justify here. By the way, a garden for a child is not the only opportunity for a mother to work.

Children are all different. We have a little neighbor in the country, you can’t keep her at home at the age of three, she is eager for children. Mom gave her to the garden, although she initially wanted to leave her at home longer, the child walks with pleasure. A very smart, independent child who needs communication. And there are mamsiks for whom only home and family are really important.
Nobody says that one is bad, the other is good. To each his own. You have to look at the child.

Where are we talking about 3-4 year olds?
“I will give in 2.9. If I could sit at home, then sitab. But mine asks to go to the garden, we already went to the GKP, due to the fact that we often began to get sick, I wrote an application for 2 months with the preservation of the place. But the daughter asks, as I wrote above, she is already more interesting there than with me. We are 2.1 now. ”
This is the post you replied to and I commented on your answer.

Everyone and always? A very limited view of the world.

*ZevaIt*

And I don’t understand what else to do at home. What can I think of?? “We’re three in July, they don’t take us to the garden yet either. No places. It will be in the fall. Since 4 groups are graduating. We sculpt, draw, read, cut out, Lego shmego, walk, cartoons, cars, birdhouses, we make, we feed squirrels, yes like any mother, I try to make the child usefully spend time. And I’m tired of him, I see (

Yours may not have anything. And we really want to join the team soon.

We are talking about almost 3-4 year olds from the author of the topic, namely in the title of the topic “To kindergarten at 2.9 or at 3.9”.
Legion wrote that she would give to the garden at 2.9 (answering the author’s question), as you yourself quoted (not to be confused with the GKP for 2-3 hours a day). 2.9 is almost 3, and 3. 9 is almost 4.
I was not responding to Legion’s post, but to Ioulia’s post
about being with mom is more interesting than being in the garden.

And all children are different. My eldest went at 4, the garden barely slipped through (they could be counted on the fingers in the area), from the first day she stayed for the whole day. The youngest went to the garden (not to the nursery) at 2.8, there was a period of adaptation, but you can’t get away from the submarine, and by the end of the first year in the garden, she was very upset if I didn’t pick her up among the last.
If I were you, I would go to 2.9, and then you will look at the situation, you have nothing to lose.

Did the child say so? On the topic, of course, it is better to go to kindergarten later. Because no matter how much the child is interested in the team – in incomplete 3 it’s not all day)) Well, look like developmental games, walk more often …
Self-service, developed speech, etc. are needed for the garden.

I would give in 2.9. Actually, I gave it away, though at 2.11. There were children in the group from 2.6 to 3.6
You will always have time to pick up.

Why did you come to me now with this information? I also initially wrote not to you, but to Ioulia, discussing with her the post of Legon, and not the author.

You can do a lot of things. Fantasy turn on.

if it doesn’t burn, then probably 3.9 …
mine went at 2.5 years old … well, what can I say, it was hard to go … although he knows how to self-service, they teach you how to dress there)
and he is often ill, so in fact, she walks for a week or two, gets sick for two …
I wanted to go to work at the age of 3, now I have doubts …
can be given to the GKP, for example, or to some classes

You asked me:
“Where are we talking about 3-4 years old?
“I’ll give it to 2.9. If I could sit at home, then sitab. But mine asks to go to the garden, we already went to the GKP, due to the fact that we often began to get sick, I wrote an application for 2 months with the preservation of the place. But the daughter asks, as I wrote above, she is already more interesting there than with me. We are 2.1 now. “
This is a post you replied to and I commented on your answer.” I answered where.

Would give at 3.9. Before, there was nothing for a child to do there. *said it suddenly and bluntly*.
And even at 4.9 I would give, depending on the child.
Mine went to 5.5 and fit perfectly into the existing team.

in 3.9. If you yourself are tired of the child or it’s time to go to work – well, give it away earlier. And if there is an opportunity to be with the child herself, then there is nothing to do there so early! Just grab sores and grow adenoids.

For example?

Don’t bother, the waxwing doesn’t read answers. As are the questions.

In the garden there is an opportunity to communicate not with the mother, but with peers. In the garden, there are classes with teachers, and there are more toys there, by the way, and more space for games. And on the sites, mostly those who are a year and a half old hang out.

At the age of 3, it’s even more interesting with your mother. At 5, yes, already with peers. Personally, we have more toys and they are completely at the disposal of the children, and in my garden something was always missing. At least I sometimes left mine at home to play with toys. You can glue, sculpt and draw perfectly with your mother, again, it’s more interesting, because. mother adapts to one child, and the educator to the whole group. I took it to music separately.

Both of mine went to 3 years old. But of course, not immediately for a full day. Both were delighted with the garden, the kindergartens are good, the groups are small, the teachers are excellent. Although the younger caregivers are not interested at all, she tells them “no, you are not a mother!”. She sparkling with her heels runs “to the kids.”
Both of them are such party-goers, they just need to communicate with children.

Child.

Which one?

Average

You are just lazy and didn’t want to work with children. From a good mother, children do not run to the garden. They are more interested in their mother.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhs I have to know… let everyone stay at home.

Definitely lazy.

Feel sorry for your children. Why gave birth? Procreative instinct, perhaps?

Probably. You can see better.

I sent my eldest child to the garden only at the age of 5, and now I regret it very much. I gave away the youngest at 3 and am very pleased, he comes every day to sing songs, recite poems, draw pictures, learn to dress and undress. In short, I see that he likes it there, even began to leave him for the whole day, and drove the eldest until the last day before lunch.
A LOT depends on the teachers. Make inquiries about the educators, if you give good ones. A friend gave her daughter at 2, so she wakes her up on weekends in the morning and asks to be taken to the garden.

Yes, there is something to do there. They learn a lot, sculpt, draw, learn discipline, communicate with other children.

Is it impossible to sculpt and draw at home?

Someone at 3 is interested with mom. Someone already with peers. According to my observations with peers, it really becomes more interesting somewhere from 2.5 years old, psychologists are right. In kindergarten, not only music, there is drawing, speech development, rhythm, physical education, a lot of things.

I’m already swaying. This has been done a thousand times at home. There is no team at home.

It’s possible, but it’s always more interesting in a team. Children are always drawn to their peers. And you won’t teach discipline like in the garden.

I started driving at the age of 5, I cried.

My friend’s daughter is like this, she can’t speak, she wakes up her mother and says “Vsa, vsa” she doesn’t cry in the garden, she happily runs to the group.

Well, why send children to a kindergarten, where there are fewer toys than at home, and it’s really not clear. Maybe just look at the garden better?

yeah, boob sucking until 18, gee.

+100 senior went to 2.8, on the second day he stayed to sleep, refused to go home. There were no habituation problems at all. IMHO, it all depends on the child. The youngest is recorded for 2015, in August it will be 2) let’s see how

goes

mine went to 1.8 and 1.6. No problem.

This one was the closest to the house and the teachers there were not bad. In the garden, where it was better with toys, it was necessary to carry and yapping teachers there. And if with school I’m ready to stand on my ears and carry it much better, then with the garden it’s easier for me to overstay the child for an extra year at home than to drag it to early distant lands.

Why are you so categorical? In your opinion, if a 2-3 year old child sits at home with his mother, this is horror, horror, but if he is given for 8-9 hours daily “to a team of peers and experienced teachers for development” is this normal? I’m not talking about 5-6 year olds and older.

And why do you need this early training course?

And mine went to 1.3, crying when they didn’t go to the garden on weekends.

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I’m surprised at these supporters of “early discipline”, oh, otherwise if he doesn’t go to kindergarten, he’ll sit under his desk at school, yes, yes.

no, I don’t think that horror is horror, it depends on the child, one school is horror-horror and howls clinging to mother’s skirt, and another needs children even at 1.5.

so you can give it to developmental classes, mine went from 1.5 years old, I don’t remember how many times a week, it was enough for him, then we walked with the same children on the playground, we are still friends with some, my son is now 10, I started kindergarten at the age of 4.

No, a garden a couple of years before school is good and necessary. Previously – only when the parents urgently need it. There is nothing wrong in the garden at 3 years old. But why yell that it is better for a child ???

Do you care? Previously, at 2 months, they gave it to a nursery and it was normal. My mother-in-law gave my husband to a nursery at 10 months. No one blew in the ass before the registry office, as it is now.

hand over to the boarding school right away, what’s already there, there were still round-the-clock kindergartens handed over on Monday, taken away on Friday.

– Dear, how did you live to be 120 years old, share your secret!..
– It’s simple – I never argue with anyone.
– What are you talking about, it’s impossible!
– Well, it’s impossible, so impossible…

I don’t even want to talk to such narrow-minded people. You are either black or white, right?

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Are you also in the mother viper club?

did he feel bad at home?

No, it’s just that he’s more interested in children.

I just see a lot of alternatives to the garden, and I know the garden from the inside and not alone.

Oh, don’t need this song! With children and on the playground is fun. With normally formed relationships in the family, for a child up to 3-4 years old, mother is the center of the universe. And unkind children are always looking for a “mother” among educators, teachers…

Do you have any development programs nearby? We have a lot of them, from 0.5 years and above

I don’t understand the aggression of hens at all. Well, you sit with yours and sit. Is it to hell with your decrees to climb into someone else’s palace? One case expressed an opinion and ok. So no, you have to try to offend, they run into rudeness. What for? Bored at home with kids? Nerves want to tickle?

What exactly? Warren, we have them too. Do you consider yourself smarter than others?

well, for absolutely kids, something with mom is not Montessori, some kind of our technique.
For older children, everything is the same as in the garden, only the group is much smaller. Nearby in the complex we have 4 classes a day 2 or 3 times a week, “mathematics”, motor skills, music, general physical education, the world around us, fairy tales in groups of 5-8 children alternate.
There are different dances for such small ones, just music development, that’s how I remembered.
a girlfriend’s son went to folk culture from the age of three, now at 5 he prepares for school, there is English for kids, it’s true from 4 there.

Well, there is all this and even more. And it’s no longer interesting.

yeah, we want to. And you cuckoos, why does it hurt so much?

so everything in the garden is the same, and even at a more primitive level.

Yes, it’s just you and people like you. rage. It is understandable, we have turned into chickens.

Do you really not understand? Children are interested in the fact of communicating with other children, there are many of them, they have fun. Catching up is fun to play with your friends, not figuratively with your mom. Is it hard to understand?

Do you know about the garden only in theory? are they allowed to run a lot there? Is there a lot of space in groups for running around?
Especially for babies.

I wrote above, I worked in the garden, where my eldest daughter went, garden 977, and they play and run and walk, all sorts of activities, according to age.

And you want to tell that you were supposedly some kind of curator. Or, as they like to write here: worked closely with the gardens, right? I have two children. Both kindergarten love and loved.

I didn’t work, but I have enough familiar teachers, and my eldest child also went to the garden, the first year was in a group where roll-out beds are three-tiered, there were tables for food and classes, so you really can’t turn around, almost everyone went children.

Yes, there were classes, but in my concept, apparently, classes by age are something else, children can’t count up to five (4 years old) for a whole year, and everything else is a complete primitive

no, I wasn’t a curator, I wrote above, mine also went with pleasure, I gave it away from the age of 4, though, on the advice of the same educators, by the way, but I could have given it earlier for money, to the coolest garden in the area, a health-improving one with a swimming pool.

At 1.3 did you cry when you didn’t go to the garden? My youngest is now 1.3. I can hardly imagine her at all, even in the group of short-term stay, and so that she speaks out on the subject of the fact that she wants to go to the garden, and not to her mother?

And just like that, my elder and I are reaping the fruits of my motherhood.

Mine too 2.2. I will give it to the garden at 3.8. Firstly, the head of the kindergarten, in which we are on the waiting list, said that the January ones will not get into the garden in 2015. Well, and secondly, I don’t think that they will be so ready – my daughter is already talking to the fullest, and her son is just starting, they don’t ask for a potty yet, although when you plant, they don’t mind. Sleep with a pacifier. I have written them down since September in the GKP, but I don’t know whether to keep them or not. And what are the problems with three-year-olds at home? My eldest daughter went to the garden at 3. 5 – before that we had a great time together – we went to the park for a walk (although we live in the countryside) for society, took her to a Montessori group twice a week. You can already go to sports together – for example, to the pool. In our village now, for example, there are no children of the same age as mine – but they play well together.

It seems to me that the anonymous 1.3 trolls a little))). Because it’s hard to imagine a one-year-old child who goes to the garden all week, and roars on weekends, maybe he wants to go back to the garden. Although now I live in Europe, here they generally give kindergarten at 4 months, so some mothers said that “the child likes it there” (at 4 months). But there is no way out, the decree is short. And yes, everyone grows up and is happy. But it’s crazy for me, I’m not used to it yet.

mine was terribly shy. I was afraid of children. At 2, in general, before panic, as soon as another child came to the playground, immediately tears and went home. Adapted slowly. But at 3 I had to go to work. They gave it to the garden. She was no longer afraid of children, but she was in no hurry to communicate with them. It took her 2 years to start communicating with children. But despite this, I went to the garden with great pleasure. I think that the garden only benefited her, otherwise she would have scared the children

All children are different. My seniors went to 2x. Everything was normal. The youngest, 3.5, until the garden “went”, was given at 3, went with pleasure, but does not want to do anything in the team and interferes with everyone. Maybe it was necessary to give earlier, it would be easier, but like this.

Yes, at the age of two, a child is able to say I want to go to kindergarten, mom take me to kindergarten. Yeah, it’s understandable

I just learned to walk and talk, and already loves children so much that it’s bad with my mother at home, the world is not nice without a crowd of classmates. who just say not all even 2 words yet, and do not really understand what they want from them with their friendship? N-yes. Either the house is hell, or it’s a wiring. the second is more likely.

Read your post again. It is still not clear where the aggression in response comes from?

You are reaping the fruits of motherhood, and not the lack of a garden, do not confuse.

A brilliant child. Did he cry and SAY that he wants to go to kindergarten? In a year and three? And could you list the games that he played with these kids all day. I have never just seen a godovas playing on his own with another godovas.

The later the better. It is possible not to give at all, if there is an opportunity to sit and provide normal leisure and personal development.
“Only a very few, those who work out of the office and on a free schedule, can combine work that brings money with looking after their preschool child. Therefore, it makes no sense to look for an answer to the question “does a child really need a kindergarten for development?” “The program for the development of the child does not provide for such an artificial form of upbringing. Children grew up for thousands of years without any kindergartens. And they arose not as a form of “preschool education, development and socialization,” but simply as a storehouse – to release mothers to machines and drawing boards.
Another extreme is to imagine a kindergarten as some kind of unconditional evil. It becomes evil if it is inevitable and obligatory for everyone, just as any violence against the intimate, family sphere of life becomes evil. But as a service and an opportunity, it is not evil, and if a family has a need to send a child to a kindergarten, it will not turn into anything irreparable and terrible, provided that this service is of high quality, which in this case means: the child in the kindergarten will feel OK. Not “socialize” or “preschool” but just feel good, whatever that means for your particular child.”
“The ability to assign the role discussed above is also manifested in the fact that after 4 years it is easier for a child to accept the care of someone else’s adult if he is presented by his parents as his “deputy” – for example, a kindergarten teacher. If she gives the child understand that he can count on her protection and care, he gradually turns on trust and following, and he can be quite comfortable with such a deputy.
Excerpts from a book by child psychologist Lyudmila Petranovskaya, well known in certain circles, and probably not only

Or maybe so – with which mother is more interesting, and with some there is nothing to do at all)). I remember when I was a child, my friends had a dad… At any age, you could do something interesting with him all day long. Now he is a grandfather – his little one is tearing him to pieces)). What kind of garden is there? You made, grandfather Vanya arrived! That’s it, no children to be seen))
Have you spent a lot of time in a group of children for 2.5 years in a nursery? I am enough. 90% -M nafig no peers are needed when mom is gone. There are still rare specimens on the site that can get involved in some kind of game on their own, and then, more often with older children, if they accept . ..

I would never send my child to kindergarten at 2 years of age. Well, only if there was nothing to live on, nothing to eat and it was necessary to go to work. But in this case, I would not give birth to begin with.
At this age, no socialization is needed for a child. Kindergarten at 2 years old – this is solely in order to untie the hands of parents and go to work. Nothing else

Well, the author’s child will be 2.9, while the adaptation is almost 3 years old. 9 months difference is very decent at this age.

The sooner the better. Do not forget that at first the child will be sick and you will not be tolerated at work always on sick leave. Therefore, give earlier, let it adapt and you can calmly go to work.

I gave just at 3.9. Between 2.9 and 3.9 is a very big difference. The child did not cry for a day, although he got used to it for the first couple of weeks. Up to 3 years – early, this is my personal opinion. And the child does not need it.

Yes, there are no nurseries now. In the garden they take just the earliest at 2.9, quite a age. What do you have to do with your two years?

You are wrong, there is a nursery, not so many, but they are, we have one nursery group for the holding

at 2 years old he does not yet have a brainoff

There is an opportunity to give later, give later. I really regret that I gave it away at 2.5. But I had to go to work. But I understand that I had to look for another way out

Yes, there are adults who do not grow up. Moreover, among men more often dedavani but I, fortunately, or unfortunately, do not belong to them. My children needed peers. Maybe we are one of those 10% I still think they are 10%, let’s say 75%.

in 3.9 is better!
at 2.9 only because of hopelessness and poverty…

2.9 this is still a two-year-old child, not a three-year-old there were circles, but this is not at all the same).
Then I was transferred to another group, there is a wonderful teacher. A child on a long vacation at home is bored, eager to go to kindergarten. Therefore, it all depends on the human factor of the educator IMHO.

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And we have the nearest nursery in Altufievo. And we are in Annino

Phaaa, what a laugh from such stupid women.

Do not grow up – how is it? Are they able to find an approach to any person, regardless of age, and enjoy (mutual) communication with him? Grandfather Vanya, if he is the owner of his own quite successful business, well, for reference. It is possible that this trait helps him not only with children.
Svvertniki, of course, everyone needs, but from the age of 4 in volume to play, and this is never “living all day according to the general routine.” Read here somewhere a link / excerpt for a child psychologist – no need to substitute concepts – the garden was created not for children, but for parents, and now. Communication with peers is not = going to the garden. And these songs about children 1-2 years old who need Children so much, they need them so much that they cry without a garden, really suggest – “what’s going on at home …”
But the reality is that it is unrealistic to sit at home with children before school, and a garden is not the worst alternative, but if it is possible to give later, better later than earlier.

And from a child. My middle and youngest went to the same wonderful teacher. The middle one ran to the garden, and the youngest asked if possible to leave her at home to rest and play quietly.

In any case, the human factor (did not agree on the characters)

did you give for socialization at that age or was there simply no one to sit?

No, she liked the teacher very much. When I went to grade 1, I went to visit her several times. It’s just that the child wanted to relax at home, play with his toys, when no one interferes. What’s amazing about this?

Rather, it is the mother who is tired of taking care of the baby. Or she does not work with him at home so much, he is so bored with his mother that any company is even more fun (((

You are bored in a child. He is bored with you. and bad ones. In communication with adults, this interferes.0208 Communication with messengers is necessary from the age of 2.5 years, this is the opinion of psychologists, we recommend the age of going to kindergarten. It is difficult to get the necessary amount of such communication outside the kindergarten. At 4 years old, you can only correct the lack of such communication, if it was not there.
Rebec in the garden is not the whole day, if you throw away the daytime sleep and food, there will not be much left. Maximum hours 5. Usually – 4 hours. And it’s all activities walk and play.
Children need routine both at home and outside. In kindergarten, he is not tough.
Both children and adults need a kindergarten – families need it. Just like school or university. This is an important stage in a child’s education.

You are mistaken on all counts. But I think it makes no sense to argue, because. and here and in life a lot of copies have already been broken. It is good that society is gradually maturing to understand the importance of child-mother, child-family interaction processes, the significance and principles of the formation of attachment and relationships in the family.
Can I have a link to those psychologists who recommend a garden from 2.5 years old?
Do you really think that only infantile personalities can find a common language with children (didn’t you mean this by “preserve the characteristics of the psychology of children,”?), The rest of the type should not be interested))). This is really a new stream in psychology))). Own composition?

That doesn’t mean they don’t exist, does it?
Everywhere the situation is different, but they exist.

Three nursery groups to Moscow, consider that they do not exist, and illegal, moreover, because it is prohibited.

What nonsense, in our district and in our holding there is also in the neighboring one. Both there and there are far enough from us, but if you really need it, people carry it.
And where is the law prohibiting, you know this from the category “I heard a ringing, but I don’t know where it is”
Read at least why these groups were reduced.

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This is pure monkeying. At 2 years old, a child cannot be better among strangers than at home with his mother.

????
Hey, wicked! shut up!

Depends on the child in many ways. A healthy child without developmental delays, able to talk and serve himself, adapts faster than a sickly and poorly spoken child.
Depends on the kindergarten and teacher. My son in the garden was able to find a common language with one teacher, but it was temporary. Everything became very bad with the new teacher, she frankly said that she did not like my child and she did not want to work with him. The son reacted to the attitude with tantrums and, as a result, an acute neurosis.
So many different nuances, really.
I am a supporter of giving back to the garden as late as possible. The youngest son is not even standing in line.

No, you are wrong. Those who are infantile adults (those who have not matured), they are usually bad parents. But the fact that the grandfather, whom all the grandchildren are tearing to pieces, is the ability for age regression, an invaluable and necessary quality for working with children. It is also required by a good child psychologist.
Next. Psychologists do not recommend a kindergarten for up to three years, because it is better to go there when the crisis of three years has passed. So that the personality would already be more or less formed and could resist some negative moments.
Garden is not a stage of a child’s education. It was made for poor mothers who went to work, and the children were alone. And to compare it with school and university is ridiculous. Active socialization of the individual in a wide society, according to age psychology, should begin after five.

d / s is needed 1 year before school, in terms of socialization, building relationships between peers. If it is possible not to drive until this time, then different sections / circles will be more productive than a garden.
Personally, I didn’t plan mine in kindergarten, but my daughter is very sociable and had to be sent to kindergarten at 4.5g. Adaptation went very quickly, girlfriends appeared (for the sake of them we go there)
It immediately came out that my kind, kind, naive, and life in the team is different, we got useful experience in communication, how to walk around situations with other children on our own.
But we go 2-3 days a week. If every day, we get tired, the immune system suffers. ..

Tell me, how do they treat in the kindergarten that a child goes 2-3 days a week? Do they react normally? Does the child fall out of mandatory activities such as matinees? Do classes suffer?
(I’m asking because I want to try this option with my younger son, just like you. The experience with my older son was very negative, but the absence of a kindergarten affected the period of adaptation in elementary school.)

You can’t walk like that everywhere, it’s not possible here, they transfer you to the GKP, just 3 days a week it turns out

We are from the Moscow Region, the kindergarten is autonomous (it provides for itself). we pay up to 10 thousand per month. – 1950 rubles for meals and the rest 6500 rubles for paid classes (there are many of them – English, preparation for school, dancing, logic, speech development, physical education, modeling, drawing, speech therapist tests, swimming pool) + for security, but payment is required .
so I pay for everything, they tell us that we are present and they don’t look at our absenteeism. so agreed initially with tutors. the group is really big 29pers., there an adult will get tired of the noise.
we are always called to matinees, literally that year at NG we were ill with otitis media for a long time, so we learned the DM verse ourselves and told, the daughter repeated all the movements in the dances, they are taught to look at the dance teacher and repeat, who forgot or at the children nearby . We had all the holidays without any problems. Once we were asked specifically to come to a dance rehearsal (it was difficult), we just came to dance and then left.
My daughter does not eat well in the kindergarten, we can say she doesn’t like this food, and she still doesn’t sleep during quiet hours, why torture the child, the teachers agree that such a flexible schedule suits her.
But I repeat, I pay all the amounts, I don’t run for certificates, and educators receive an additional salary from classes.

I tried to attach both sons from the age of two, but it didn’t work out (it was bad for them in the kindergarten, both the children and the teachers offended them). passed (searching for a comfortable child).

I think it’s better as early as possible, i.e. from 2 years. My daughter went, she was 1.11. Everything went very well.

You didn’t study child psychology well, if you studied…

No, I’m right, but after your opus with impoverished mothers and the recommendations of supposedly psychologists, I think it’s useless to talk to you

Uh, read the history of the creation of kindergartens, they were created in France for mothers who worked, and the children were left alone and died and were injured. Do you think these were rich and spiritually developed mothers?
And yes, psychologists do not recommend children under three years of age. You can consider them “supposedly”, but it’s useless to talk to me, but the essence of this will not change)))
Do you even know the theory of personality development and about age crises?

Yes, I was well taught at the university. We are talking about modern kindergartens here. Which are an important stage in the education of a rebecca, like a school or a university.

Is it better to take it somewhere from birth? We have a very elderly woman at work who thought so. She gave her children to a nursery for a month, and went to work herself. So she believed that it was right to do this, and the rest were just loafers, who stayed at home with children until a year / three.

in the wrong place.

IMHO, the later the better. And if there is an opportunity, do not take children to this almshouse called kindergarten at all.

Almshouse

It’s better not to let such a garden in general – that’s for sure. In such a school (now there are no kindergartens, as such – they are preschool stages of schools) and a university also does not need to be passed.

Thank you

We visited two kindergartens – both there and there are about the same thing. This is only a temporary place for the child while the parents are at work.
School is completely different, a child spends less time at school than in kindergarten, but gains more knowledge/skills. There are no questions about the school – why the child goes there.

But it’s not easier to go straight to the boarding school and visit on holidays. Although even now very poor people are renting out children for five days. I was surprised, to be honest. Well, it always seemed to me that this is such an extreme measure, when there is no other way out, it turns out there is no – parents make life so easy for themselves.

I’ve quoted excerpts from Petranovskaya’s book above, do you think she’s also a low-skilled psychologist? And why are foster parents lining up for her?
Can you then recommend your book or give some references to “real” psychologists?
What stage of education do you think that a child SHOULD be educated from the age of 2???

I want to ask those who are against gardens, do you really think that developmental games and sandbox activities will replace communication with peers? After all, children do not have time for free play, the formation of relationships. There is no way to play with each other at the developmental games and sections, again, it’s not quite right in the yard, mom is nearby, resolves conflicts, helps, if anything, it’s dangerous to let them go into the yard, it’s not the right time. And I’m talking about the GAME, remember how in Soviet times? We played all the time – in the yard, with my grandmother in the village, in the garden, I loved the garden, I still remember some of the children and games, toys. Where can modern children experience all this if not in a kindergarten? I’m really interested without mockery and sarcasm. And when the school starts, then the children are obliged to grow up quickly there – lessons, control, after the lessons, again, sections and circles, and when are the children free to play?
I will give you an example from our life. We live in a country where maternity leave is up to a year old, then 95 percent of children go to kindergarten. There is an opportunity to sit for up to two years, receiving a minimum allowance, which is not given after two years, that is, in any case, you have to go to work later. And interestingly, the children are balanced, friendly, calm, they love the kindergarten, they are allowed to play and walk a lot on the street without loading them with developmental games, they are at a minimum, that is, there is no stress and pressure. If someone thinks “poor children”, they will be wrong, absolutely not poor, but contented. I myself have been working here in the kindergarten for many years, and I have never seen a child who could not adapt, would cry for a long time, etc. Maybe it depends on the number of staff? Here for 15 children, for example, three or four adults, and the day of stay in the garden ends at 16.30, then all the gardens are closed. There are private ones, but they are up to 17 hours maximum. What do you think about this?

When there are three or four adults for 15 children and all three are taken apart, this has nothing to do with the realities of the Russian garden. Plus, they don’t force you to eat for sure)))
We now have 35 people on the list per teacher, even in a nursery.
And why isn’t the sandbox free to play? Mom will help resolve the conflict? And in the garden, what, the teacher will not help? If in the garden the teacher will let conflicts be resolved by themselves and not interfere, then the children will be all injured and bitten)))
Children of kindergarten age should not be left completely alone, so that they fight as they like.
PS, I personally hated the garden, but loved school and institute.

Do you really not see the difference between a two-year-old, a seven-year-old and an 18-year-old person? This is the same thing as saying – you don’t let a two-year-old walk alone? Don’t let me go to the institute either?
What is the relationship between kindergarten and university?
There is no education in ds, this is essentially a free nanny. There classes are 30 minutes a day, and they sit there for 10 hours.
School and institute – they are made for the education of the child, they care little about what is happening with their parents.

I agree about the number of adults and the number of hours spent in the garden, but many grew up. parents can pick up children earlier than 6-7 pm. Only I don’t fully understand why most people are so against gardens. Whether I’m so used to the local calm teachers that when I read about hysterical nannies or open conflicts with children, cruelty just doesn’t fit in my head, but there are adequate professionals in their field. And having mom next to the sandbox is completely different, it’s not the game we’re talking about. You greatly exaggerate something about conflicts in kindergarten, rush to extremes. It’s just that many people think that sections and developmental games can completely replace normal communication with peers.

YOU do not compare the realities of your gardens and ours, we do not have and never had 15 children in state gardens and 3-4 adults in them and never will.
When my child went to the kindergarten, there was one nanny with them for almost the whole year, one teacher injured his back, the second had either studies or sessions.